*ESL problems in S-V-O structure*

[porcy]

(tentative name/title: "When you write for no-one (to understand you)," -or-, "Writing *in* (not *with*) *accent*", also known as "Drunken on anger and typin' spunken")

me (user, point of interest/discussion) - press_F13
source -

https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/1pyfibp/comment/nwvwio2

point to address - "my good is english", *broadly*
(links on bottom are https://oxfordlanguageclub.com/page/blog/grammar.-how-to-build-a-sentence-in-english, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_(linguistics) )
0rc0 "mocks" me -
- so, i want to ask --- to me, these sentences of mine are "perfectly cromulent" --- and i know there can be errors here and there - but, my concerns are: what i do *specifically* wrong, in my sentences??? --- i dont see anything wrong, yet, people here and there from various platforms, tend to point sometimes, on my sentences' structure(s), - which makes me worried - i cant see "it"! there is/are

no apparent difference(s), to me, how my texts, and those text from others, differ!?! (ok, now i see it (a little bit) - i seem to have "syndrome" of "writing for no-one", i.e., when i am angry or in "debate" as these, i can write "yes, those are all words"-sentences, meaning that even i, myself, have, issues later, to read these after myself (ofc "i as there when it was written", i know what i meant -

- yet but still, upon reading what i wrote (esp. consid.-ly later), i too, myself, may "cringe", when pointed out (and issue might be, i still dont know how to fix them, sentences)... <oh god, btw, i see why that i got "linked" - i forgot to add words - looks like i was "writing in slovak-lish/'accent' " but noticed only now - I DONT READ AFTER MYSELF AND THINK PEOPLE CAN SEE MY THOUGHTS, WHEN IT IS NOT...>

 

[porcy]

i rewrote it:

that if we let our guard down and take things for granted, it will be same problem over and over gain, until people start to be active in politics or we reach direct democracy of city-cantons (-) without intermediates, left alone prone to NOT become corrupt (as it is used to (become)), - and we will never be left alone again with their power (they handled down by mistake - or, we took - in 90s..10s) (solution i see depressive, but i see "koream snitches" as only working model if everything else fails - people watching, being on all others eyes on all times...) [edit: corrected - dont type when you cant read it later, d.t. when angry etc.]

 

[charlie]

Or, in other words… ranting?

 

[porcy]

more about the struggles with ESL - asking humbly, - why when i write... (see? doing it again...)!

people ask me while my phrase structure is so batshit random - and i have no clue, or neither can change it even if i try - it takes effort to write the way both parties get satisfied - writing in the "slovak structure", and getting into that of the english phrase structure!...

 

[charlie]

Sorry I didn’t read the op, I was just “translating” the title.

I wanted to say your punctuation habits are working against you, but you barely even had punctuation in those comments. I think you have a fairly academic writing style and pacing, in that you’re always adding parenthetical asides and qualifiers and anecdotes…. So maybe if you tried to write more simply/clearly/confidently?


There is definitely a certain charm to how carefully you communicate but due to your “accent” it might be hurting you.

 

[zachwave]

hi Porcy,

Try framing it as simple as when you're typing to someone you are "speaking" to someone. I think based on what you are offering, you are shooting up a lot of noise with everything you say. I like to call it "Word Flak". A lot of noise, which is flavorful and enjoyable to some, might not be for everyone.

Communication or conveyance of thoughts to others have to be transcribed in a way that it is for the lowest denominator of readers (dumbed down). When the reader is reading what you're saying, it is their internal voice reading the words you convey. With all the noise, it basically acts as a rocky road that is hard to traverse and breaks up the voice, and the eyes gliding across your message. Though it is still possible to get through it, some of the meaning might be lost or simply, some people might not have the patience to interact with it.

Try to convey your thoughts without the inner monologue (whenever you put something in brackets like so) or try and use sentence structure that is simple a sentence without any - ~ " or ! as a start. Try and convey simple details from there.

You're clearly a smart and interesting person, but sometimes you don't need to shoot your shot with an entire burst of flak (noise) and for some venues such as reddit or public forums, just try and shoot up and straight and somebody will pick up on what you're trying to say. I'd write out all of your thoughts like you do, but then reread it and cut out all the noise and read it if it still conveys what you were trying to say. Another thing to ask yourself is, will the reader really care about these details (or your inner monologue)? If not, delete it. It's difficult, and I don't always communicate well either, so I hope you don't take this personally.

If you're speaking to yourself as if you were journaling or blogging, I would say you can write or type in any way you like.

Keep it breezy pal